magie druidique sous forme élémentaire 8

Bonsoir à tous,
J'ai besoin d'une précision sur les règles de magie pour un druide qui a le don incantation animale..
Bon littéralement cela veut dire qu'il peut lancer des sorts sous forme animale et ma question la voilà :
Et sous forme élémentaire ? un druide peut il lancer des sorts sous cette forme ?
Merci d'avance pour la réponse
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Il me semble qu'un druide sous forme élémentaire peut lancer des sorts même sans le don, car les élémentaires ont des mains pour les composantes gestuelles et sont doués de parole pour les composantes verbales.

Je prends cette option, elle conforte mon opinion
Merci pour la réponse 

C'est délicat, le don a été créé pour la "wild shape" qui regroupe les formes animales, plantes et élémentaires. Dans un souci d'équilibre, je dirais qu'il faut le don. Mais je ne sais pas trop ce qu'il en est officiellement.
Mais de toute façon, sans ce don, il ne pourra pas utiliser les focus et composants matériels qui seront intégrés à sa forme....

Je suis plutôt d'accord avec ce qui est dit : quand le druide se transforme tout ce qu'il possède se transforme avec lui, y compris son focalisateur divin.
Il vaut mieux maintenir l'équilibre, et n'autoriser les sorts en forme élémentaire uniquement avec le don Incantation Animale.
D'ailleurs, on prend le risque en autorisant de voir des magiciens/ensorceleur en forme élémentaire (air par exemple), balancer des tonnes de sorts en volant... ce n'est plus du tout équilibré.

Il me semble que les sorts de métamorphose permettent d'utiliser les composantes et focalisateurs quand ils sont fondus dans la nouvelle forme du lanceur de sorts

Cela ne me dit rien, où est ce précisé?
je reviens sur le début, mais je ne crois pas qu'on puisse dire qu'un élémentaire ait des "humaines" pour l'incantation d'un sort. Quand on voit à ce qu'il ressemble. Par contre, ils ont un langage.

http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/magic.html
La partie sur transmutation : Polymorph

Polymorph: A polymorph spell transforms your physical body to take on the shape of another creature. While these spells make you appear to be the creature, granting you a +20 bonus on Disguise skill checks, they do not grant you all of the abilities and powers of the creature. Each polymorph spell allows you to assume the form of a creature of a specific type, granting you a number of bonuses to your ability scores and a bonus to your natural armor. In addition, each polymorph spell can grant you a number of other benefits, including movement types, resistances, and senses. If the form you choose grants these benefits, or a greater ability of the same type, you gain the listed benefit. If the form grants a lesser ability of the same type, you gain the lesser ability instead. Your base speed changes to match that of the form you assume. If the form grants a swim or burrow speed, you maintain the ability to breathe if you are swimming or burrowing. The DC for any of these abilities equals your DC for the polymorph spell used to change you into that form.
In addition to these benefits, you gain any of the natural attacks of the base creature, including proficiency in those attacks. These attacks are based on your base attack bonus, modified by your Strength or Dexterity as appropriate, and use your Strength modifier for determining damage bonuses.
If a polymorph spell causes you to change size, apply the size modifiers appropriately, changing your armor class, attack bonus, Combat Maneuver Bonus, and Stealth skill modifiers. Your ability scores are not modified by this change unless noted by the spell.
Unless otherwise noted, polymorph spells cannot be used to change into specific individuals. Although many of the fine details can be controlled, your appearance is always that of a generic member of that creature's type. Polymorph spells cannot be used to assume the form of a creature with a template or an advanced version of a creature.
When you cast a polymorph spell that changes you into a creature of the animal, dragon, elemental, magical beast, plant, or vermin type, all of your gear melds into your body. Items that provide constant bonuses and do not need to be activated continue to function while melded in this way (with the exception of armor bonuses, which cease to function). Items that require activation cannot be used while you maintain that form. While in such a form, you cannot cast any spells that require material components (unless you have the Eschew Materials or Natural Spell feat), and can only cast spells with somatic or verbal components if the form you choose has the capability to make such movements or speak, such as a dragon. Other polymorph spells might be subject to this restriction as well, if they change you into a form that is unlike your original form (subject to GM discretion). If your new form does not cause your equipment to meld into your form, the equipment resizes to match your new size.
While under the effects of a polymorph spell, you lose all extraordinary and supernatural abilities that depend on your original form (such as keen senses, scent, and darkvision), as well as any natural attacks and movement types possessed by your original form. You also lose any class features that depend upon form, but those that allow you to add features (such as sorcerers that can grow claws) still function. While most of these should be obvious, the GM is the final arbiter of what abilities depend on form and are lost when a new form is assumed. Your new form might restore a number of these abilities if they are possessed by the new form.
You can only be affected by one polymorph spell at a time. If a new polymorph spell is cast on you (or you activate a polymorph effect, such as wild shape), you can decide whether or not to allow it to affect you, taking the place of the old spell. In addition, other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell.
If a polymorph spell is cast on a creature that is smaller than Small or larger than Medium, first adjust its ability scores to one of these two sizes using the following table before applying the bonuses granted by the polymorph spell.

La partie suivante :
While in such a form, you cannot cast any spells that require material components (unless you have the Eschew Materials or Natural Spell feat), and can only cast spells with somatic or verbal components if the form you choose has the capability to make such movements or speak, such as a dragon.
Laisse la liberté au MJ.
Moi je dirais, un ensorceleur/magicien peut lancer un sort uniquement pour les transformations de type Géant, Dragon.
Du coup ... je n'autoriserai pas pour un élémentaire. A discuter j'imagine ...